Two people in the crowd yelled Ya. Crazy Paul stated no to that question on would he let the man die. then he stated that many of the Doctors and get this churches took care of these situations in the past.

Hay, now there is a novel Idea. Let the goodness of human kind dictate how we will help other. But a liberal would never give of his money or time freely and believe that everyone is as selfish as they are, so moral values must be forced upon us all. Maybe the Libs shouldn't have fought so hard to get Religion out of society. But then again now that they have they can try to force their religion on everyone else now in the name of fairness.

These people are not Christians.They dont know the first thing about Christ. Its plain to see they dont read Gods word.If they did they would know we are supposed to do the things Christ did. He healed the sick. He was moved by compassion.He feed the hungry. He told us to love our enemy. Take care of the widow. His whole life is love and compassion. I see none of this in the GOP. Hey this sounds like something the Democrats would do.

Hey, lets get Doctors Without Borders to leave Africa and other third world countries without healthcare! Maybe Feed The Children and Unicef can tell the starving kids that they have to take care of America now because we have joined the third world. RACE TO THE BOTTOM!!

Ron Paul said "no", but doing so contradicts everything he just said. And Chemdmd, you are honestly going to argue that liberals are more selfish than conservatives?? You're out of your mind. Liberals vote to raise their own taxes to help fund social programs. That doesn't seem selfish to me. And how are liberals forcing religion on people, seriously? Replace the word liberals with conservatives in your comment and it reads fine.

The question was "who should pay?" The answer was -- eventually -- the church. But does Christian (or Jewish or Muslim) charity demand the parishioners pay the hospital bills for someone who opted out of health insurance?

The enthusiasm from the Tea Party Express for "give me liberty and give me (uninsured) death" is sadly unsurprising. It's part of their romanticized 19th century perspective on America. No income tax, little immigration, unbridled capitalism, no government welfare. But I ask the TP'ers to remember that people died much younger, the government enforced slavery, and America was the low-wage source of cheap manufactured goods.

These people call themselves "Christians" and pledge to ban abortions because it destroys "human life" yet cheer the idea of letting a human being die because they can't pay a health insurance bill?

They only love sacred human life until it leaves the womb. Then you're on your own. Also, not sacred anymore, otherwise no one would dare defy God with a death penalty.

And I'd remind the Christians that Jesus was against the death penalty, especially toward the end.

I only spent 3 months in the field observing "Tea Party People", because I'm old and it's what I could stand. I've analyzed their Doctrines, Icons and Behavior for 9 months now. This "market" is composed of disaffiliated or narcissistic people who are unable to adjust their behavior to reality. A tribe dealing with the total collapse of their belief systems.

The actual physical world is not where they comfortably live. I always got the feeling of a panicky animal, trapped in flight or fight dilemmas. As they talk about their own life, they fill in the vast empty spaces with hoarded bits of quasi religious propaganda. Their "Leaders" give them the words to speak, but these people do not actually understand what the words mean.

So the cheering is an empty gesture. They cannot perform the slaughter, but need to believe in the battle. It's all that permits them a sense of being victorious over a world about to run them down.

They are not "American", "Christian" or, in the true sense of the word. "Human". To listen to them talk to each other is to hear the void.

Well said!

Ann Janus, you lie you haven't spent a day with Tea Partiers.

Sadqfd, I love your BS about Libs voting to raise their own taxes. WRONG, they vote to raise everyones taxes and then have loop holes put in the law so they don't have to pay the taxes them self. Bone head Buffet is the perfect example, he says he doesn't pay enough in taxes but uses every loop hole available to him. Look who payed nothing last year GE. Look who is sitting next to the President in the White House, Jeffery Immelt CEO of GE. I find it funny when a libs tries to force their moral belief on everyone else its good for humanity, but when anyone else does it, they are a religious zealot.

There is one small difference between a christian and a liberal. A christian believes he should help when ever he can, and a liberal thinks you should be forced to help.

Liberalism, Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.

Yes chemdmd, and apparently, in your own words liberals can't possibly be Christian is that what your saying? I am and I am a Liberal. I also try to love thy neighbor as I love thyself, and whats that other one Oh ya Thou shall not judge. I try that one, and in your case you have just slapped me across my right cheek, and I have just turned my other one too you..Maybe you need to re-read the bible again in full passage. Not just cherry picking parts that makes every Republican seem to feel holier than thou, and apparently you yourself do.

Just a note when Ron Paul commented on when he practiced medicine churches covered the bills..Was the cost of health care the same as it is now, and didn't people pay him with chickens back then?

Amazing how all these politicians that have pension plans, medical plans and healthcare paid for by the American taxpayers trying to take away medical care for the rest of us.

Maybe we should put them all on minimum wage, end their pension plans and free medical benefits and see how they like it.

We all really need to end government as it has gotten out of control and out of hand. These people are robbing the poor and just letting them die on the streets as we have seen for more than 20 years.

We always hear about those that are homeless in downtown LA found dead.

What the eff is wrong with our country when we begin taking away the people's medical care from the poor that cannot afford medical insurance.

Go after their big business employers that keep them on low wages and give them nothing to live on.

REVOLUTION! It's time for REAL Change, and it's time to clean out the gd White House and burn it to the ground imo. The White House no longer represents America or the American people.

When you vote for republicans these are the values that you get..............

I wouldn't be for burning down the white house arieus, but we do need to vote everyone of them out and start over. I think we would for sure have to cleanse the whitehouse. I am one who became unemployed, uninsurable, lost cobra, and got Cancer. If it was up to the tea party apparently they would have just let me die. It was hard enough to get any help with what there is out there now, and I had to go without nausea meds, and other meds during chemo due to the cost..I can tell you if these crazies were in charge I would be dead. I would like them to explain how can they proclaim to be pro life when they could care less if you die...

hearing those shouts make it seem like we've lost our compassion. i would think that the religious right would be more compassionate, more forgiving, more accepting, and more loving.

Unfortunately, it looks like it's coming to Revolution, Arieus. I don't have confidence anymore that the members of Congress can even control this disease. Obviously greed and corporate control where dollars are king is the issue, but it's to the point where it can't even be regulated. And we're the leaders. Not likin' this at all. Caution would be to not be an unwitting pawn, though. I'm wondering what they're trying to get the American people to give up or beg for that may be worse than what we've got. Still figuring it out. Has everything to do with religion, though.

Even before there was Government Assistance in healthcare matters....Americans pitched in with neighbors...Communities helped other Communities....States helped other States.....Americans have never Just Let Anyone Die.....(Who are these people????.....They are the people we have let take over our Value system...and now it's time we show them the Door!!!)

Mmm, the reality is that a physical revolution would likely get squashed, swatted like flies, if not ignored. Psychic warfare is the tool of choice, now. But that's a place Americans are unwilling to go, and your overlords like that just fine.

Corporations are overreaching, our liberties have been trampled and we have an increasingly police state. Good luck with a revolution. The revolution is evolution of consciousness manifesting in outward behavior. Americans are the last to realize from where their power comes, but pulling the wool from fiendish religions is a good place to start. An essential start. Perhaps the quintessential act of millennia. [understatement.] You will 'stand all amazed' once this happens on a mass level. Pull their dirtied drawers down and tell them to shut TF up already.

In fact, the same political faction that blows the dog whistle for the violent fringe is likely the same that would want to stoke a revolution. Regarding psychic warfare, I ponder the extent—if any—to which people like McVeigh, Breivik and Loughner may potentially have been psychically programmed and/or traumatized and/or coerced and/or provoked before they were triggered to commit tragic, fatal, horrendous acts of violence. Don't think this is possible? That would be naive. There's a significant dark element operating in the world, just as there are significant opportunities for enlightened living and thinking. It would be wise to know where the land mines are. Unfortunately, this isn't a purely intellectual exercise. Good luck.

Mellowohio

I wouldn't be for burning down the white house arieus, but we do need to vote everyone of them out and start over. I think we would for sure have to cleanse the whitehouse. I am one who became unemployed, uninsurable, lost cobra, and got Cancer. If it was up to the tea party apparently they would have just let me die. It was hard enough to get any help with what there is out there now, and I had to go without nausea meds, and other meds during chemo due to the cost..I can tell you if these crazies were in charge I would be dead. I would like them to explain how can they proclaim to be pro life when they could care less if you die...

Mello, I am just hot under the collar over this. This is so disgusting and just wrong and evil in what our government politicians are doing to the people. It's way past time in cleaning out the WH, it's time to toss them out and start anew as you suggested.

Paul stated no to that question on would he let the man die. then he stated that many of the Doctors and get this churches took care of these situations in the past.

yeah, and in the past, doctors also accepted chickens for checkups, used leeches, and trepanning, and churches performed exorcisms and prayed for people to get well.

and of course, for the church to help you medically today, you have to adhere to all of their dogma, and covert to their sect. if you're gay and lucky, they may allow you undergo reparative therapy first before they treat your cancer.

Hay, now there is a novel Idea. Let the goodness of human kind dictate how we will help other. But a liberal would never give of his money or time freely and believe that everyone is as selfish as they are, so moral values must be forced upon us all. Maybe the Libs shouldn't have fought so hard to get Religion out of society.

see above, but also, you seem to be saying that the religious only help people so long as they get to be in control of society, that their "goodness" and "moral values" aren't as selfless or unconditional as you -- or they -- make them out to be.

As they talk about their own life, they fill in the vast empty spaces with hoarded bits of quasi religious propaganda. Their "Leaders" give them the words to speak, but these people do not actually understand what the words mean.

duckspeak. perfectly Orwellian.

war is peace.
freedom is slavery.
ignorance is strength.

Wait religion no longer exists in politics? So teh gays can be marriaged now? =^.^=

Mello, I am just hot under the collar over this. This is so disgusting and just wrong and evil in what our government politicians are doing to the people. It's way past time in cleaning out the WH, it's time to toss them out and start anew as you suggested

Arieus..I know. I am angry as well. They do not care about Americans they care about their own pockets and what they can get in return. They turn us against each other, and want us to run our lives based on political affiliation instead of A United America working together. It's mind games, and we need to just stop and unite together to tell them all enough (both parties)..You know when I was at my worst in illness I knew if I had love that was all I needed. I didn't care what Congress was doing that day or what was on facebook, or my cell phone. I just wanted my family and friends around, who are of mixed parties to spend fun, loving time with them. I had over a thousand people praying for me, and you not one person asked what party affiliation I was before they prayed :)...Not one Republican did not want me to get help and care. Sometimes it has to hit home. If one good thing came from my personal hell, and still is visible today. Is Politics didn't matter or Politicians or parties, just me getting better, getting the help I needed, and loving me for who I am is all that mattered and they were united in that. Wish this worked in the everyday world as well. It was kinda nice, and so far I'm doing well :)...

Arieus

You are an anarchist and I don't like anarchists no matter the political stripe. Suggesting to burn down the White House is disgusting. What kill the inhabitants inside? Including children? Really? Shameful! Disgusting!

It's way past time in cleaning out the WH, it's time to toss them out and start anew as you suggested.

you mean toss out congress - in the body as a whole - because the white house just suggest one branch. just suggesting just white house and presidential boot is kind of teetering on the side of teeeee par-tay.

congress as a whole is not working together - and as a whole has been corrupted by corporations - and as a whole has forgotten about the whole of the people in which they represent.

Ron Paul came from a Libertarian background. His stated positions are still very much based in that Libertarian idealism. Libertarian idealists (and I used to be one back in the 1980/1990's) really believe that people will always come together for the common good; that left to their own devices private charities will always step in to care for the sick and poor, that the best government is the least goverment...

I wonder if Ron Paul is still that idealist, and if he is how he feels about the crowd reaction to someone yelling "Let him die."

in pure capitalism - the envision of libertarian ideals actually create the 'every man for himself' environment. it's do or die.

to them donating is giving to the church "to let god do his grace"....but, we all know how rich the catholic priesthood is - they sure enough didn't get that rich by getting paid to lift a hammer.

the tea party (libertarian) ideology i think stems from not lazy thinking, but a lack of understanding the complexity. i think it's easy to get swept under - especially when one feels the burden of pulling so hard and not seeing what they have accomplished.

I don't put a lot of stock in the reactionary laughter of the moment as much as the debate it elicits ...

I don't know. I grew up religious and fiercely "take care of myself, I'm in control" independent. And I was more than adequately endowed to make my way successfully through life. But when I left my religion, I naively believed I could continue to exercise my free will in America and proceed as usual. I found that was not the case. I learned that in spite of my character, strength and abilities intact, the bias and prejudice of others held me back severely, even maliciously. Which leads me to the conclusion that we need protections/regulations/rights in place against these very sorts of behavior.

Btw, I don't like getting medical care via the Veteran's Admin. b/c I'm gay, and I do feel that has an impact, as much as I have never liked to play that up as an excuse for poor this or that. I prefer to be very positive, but found that to be a tremendous challenge with certain mindsets. And obviously, I'm not the only one, hence civil liberties, constitutional rights, etc, which libertarians wish to erase. In an earlier life as a protected member of a wealthy, massive religion, I may have agreed with certain tenets (not necessarily erasing civil liberties, etc); but that was a stifling, life-sucking, delusional trap that only got me through teenagerhood. As an adult, I choose empowerment and self-actualization, not someone else's version of "who I am."

Another point... I really can see the appeal and merits of non-NATO Sweden & Switzerland, to say "we are the world's cop" traditional unilateralist approach, but as a superpower especially, and with the advances in communication, transportation and the global issues of human rights, the environment, terrorism/security, etc... I really think it's too late to turn back. Nationalism is still very strong (GO U.S.!), but global is where we're going, like it or not. We are so interdependent and interconnected, like it or not. And, of note, I believe that realization is paramount to evolution of consciousness and thus policy. So I don't know. I haven't thought it out fully. I am definitely against any sort of communistic or strictly socialist government, but that is not where progress has to lead, as much as some philosophers would predict to be the next evolutionary form of govt. after the failure of capitalism. I mean, it is rather obvious capitalism has some problems, these days. Rights + responsibilities, internalizing some of those externalities... something wrong with that?

correction: we are NOT the world's cop....

... and OMG, certainly not a return to some form of theocracy! ACK!

Yeah, those that yell are pieces of trash, but it sounded like a very small number.

@Sarasotan - I agree - after all, they cheer enthusiastically during the last debate for the State of Texas and their enormous number of executions, even though the number includes innocent people. It was claimed that they cheered for Perry's response - wrong!! They cheered before Perry responded.

@Eric - it may have been a small number this time, but it was a large crowd that cheered for executions.

Frankly, it is sounding more and more like Nazi Germany.

Frankly, it is sounding more and more like Nazi Germany.

yep - and freaking scary!

i just have one question - how do we tiptoe away from a fascist state? my experience is that if we focus on that state of being, even with disdain, we end up creating the environment that we fear.

Did any of the GOP candidates on that stage denounce the cheering? Have any right-wing pundits denounced it? If not, then it isn't just a "small" number.

good call 80`sGirl

Did Air America denounce the spot where they had a gun cocked when speaking about Bush? Did they denounce when a host wished cancer on Chaney? It can be played both ways.

eric

what when where?

names, dates, places other wise it doesn't mean a thing.

Oh be fore you whine, i feel there are many more here that do not have to lend them self`s to that, as they are not likely to distort or misled or flat out lie. not that all fit in that 100% but i will give US the benefit of the doubt.

Thanks for bringing this up, Sara. How could the cheering be considered a 'joke'? Combined with the cheering for 200 people executed from a previous debate, it was more than a little horrifying. This was not the same audience, so just how deep within the new conservative ideology does this run?

And what have we become in this country? I'm not seeing much pushback on this yet. What's next? Public executions where admission is charged? Pitting the poor against lions maybe? Wow, there's your ultimate reality show! Straight out of The Running Man, and do we have far to go to become that society?

This is scary stuff.

@PS, heard it with my own ears, not sure if it's on the net or not. The Air America spot was in response to Social Security, the cancer were just hosts after the shooting in the face during the hunting trip. Believe what you will.

Hmm, you have a point, Carrie-Anne, "creating the environment we fear." That reminds me of living in bliss regardless of how those around you choose to live. How that translates practically is something with which I struggle, though I've experienced it enough to have merit for me. Given the trend toward globalism, with nationalism polarized against it, though, the whole "interdependence" thing may pose limits on how freely we live. The question, then, how do you maintain personal/collective freedoms etc. in an interconnected diverse world? We currently live in an anarchic global system where problems that affect all nations are not getting adequately solved. How much sovereignty has to be yielded to solve these problems? What are some of the answers?

I agree with Sarasotan. I don't think those people were kidding or making fun of themselves at all. They really believe that this is the way it should be. It fits in perfectly with their philosophy (if you assume they're smart enough to have a coherent philosophy) and their (lack of) character.

haddie nuff - it goes very deep. i can talk to anyone in a circle of people in my area who would have such strong reactions like this - especially if they had insurance somehow. they have such strong feelings on immigration as well as other topics.

i have more of strong feelings on legal immigration then illegal immigration - but that's another topic.

They weren't joking. They were cheering and applauding the idea of letting him die so "they" wouldn't have to pay for it.

"No man is an island."

--John Donne

"Every man is an island and only a communist would believe otherwise."

--Republicans

I don't know where all this is leading, but it's not going to be a good place.

I have to add, though: I do not believe in handing any portion of my spirit, mind, vitality or personal power over to anyone, for any reason. I think I'm getting closer to what the govt. is up to, on a deeper level. Personally, these pigs are doing a mind control experiment on me, and using my vagina—surprise—of all things to make me conform. And because I'm ultra sensitive, I'm aware of it. I wonder the extent of this, and how many are aware of it. God knows how many aren't.

[For the misinformed, study a little Eastern spiritual philosophy regarding chakras and the different energy bodies. Everything is energy. Energy can be manipulated for good or evil. Physical immunity is not enough. You must have psychic immunity, as well. Don't take my word. Study it, and begin looking around. This war is looks to be a battle for the psyche. Remember: Energy is a resource. You are energy. And sorry, but "she's crazy" doesn't cut it. I can actually feel them enter and touch my uterus, as though it were real time. I am NOT kidding.)

I'm tellin' ya .... what with the rabid RR and decimation of the middle class. This goes much deeper.

To buttress this, consider the impact on your health of making unconscionable decisions, day-in, day-out. Don't you think the guilt, whether repressed, subconscious or otherwise, would wreak havoc on your health? So where, then, do they get the energy to sustain this? Certainly not from dark *sses like themselves.

**and no, the Freudian slips aren't lost on me.

It does not if only a small number shouted yeah. The fact that the crowd did not boo those that did so is more than a little troubling. In silence is consent. We can no longer write this off as just a few nut jobs, it is now the ideology of the republican party.

keith, I,... like you, have never had insurance, could never afford it...It sickens me (hopefully not to the point where I need MEDICAL CARE) to think people are this uncaring in this great nation....hang in there brother! Change is on the way...I have faith...hopefully coupled with facts!.....

So, what do we do? If you don't have HC get in a situation where you need care, you should pay the same as the person who has been responsible and been covered? You should get same level of care, but the person with no HC, should understand they are taking a financial risk. I'm ok with pre-existing conditions, but there should be a penalty enforced for each month a person went without. You can't crash your car without insurance and then go get some to cover the repair.

for most of my adult life i have not had insurance, due to not being able to afford it - also due to it not being offered where i've worked. only two years of my adult life could i afford it and it was also offered.

to eric....but driving is an option...that is the fundamental difference.

@Eric: So basically you just said that someone who can't afford insurance is irresponsible.

Read that again: "can't afford" being the part you should marinate on for a bit.

Right, driving is an option, my comment wasn't about the mandate, but about coverage vs. non-coverage. If you go without coverage, it should be understood that there is risk involved. I have passed on jobs due them not offering good health care. I will not go uncovered, I will not take the risk. If there is no risk, why would I have it? If nanny Gov't is going to take care of me, why should I bother?

What part of CAN'T AFFORD IT didn't you get, Eric?

@lib50, I was responding to Carrie, and did not see DJ's response, but on the point of "can't afford". That is broke and needs to be fixed. There should be options available. Why should someone pay for full coverage health insurance if they don't go to doctor for the sniffles, or is in good health? There should be a catastrophic plan that would be low cost, and cover only if a major care is needed, such as a long term illness or accident. What about a plan that sets limits on visits to DRs office? I'm not saying it's perfect, but Obamacare is not the answer. HC insurance is usually all or nothing, and I have no use for a lot that is currently on my plan. For instance I will never use the addiction visits.

i would suspect that you have a higher education, eric.

in today's job openings, i would like to consider some options for the most basic of people.

job....or...no job. benefits are not a priority - having a job is the main priority.

this is not the market of the employee - this is the market for the employer. 100 applicants for every job. if you're snubbing jobs based on benefits, then you know not of the plight of those who can't afford insurance.

eric, i personally would love to have the single-payer option - like what vermont has passed. it's what i was advocating for before congress passed obama's proposal. it's what i thought we were getting into doing, but all is not too late.

each state could tap on vermont's shoulder and ask to really look at it and even copy it.

obama stated that if we came up with a cheaper, better plan - that covered everyone, then we could use our own proposal.

But his "defense" falls because, at the same time he is saying that hospitals won't turn them away, he and other people in the GOP are trying to dismantle the very programs which help pay for the poor and indigent to be treated in hospitals.

It also fails because there have been numerous cases of hospitals dumping homeless patients who need care onto the streets. So much for his argument that the hospitals never turned patients away.

His response (as well as that of the "major douchebags") just shows how disconnected from reality their ideology is.

There are federal laws about medical care and the indigent. These laws were passed to stop patient dumping. In addition, hospitals cannot turn away Medicaid patients because the hospitals must treat those indigents or lose federal and state funding which helps defray the costs for treating Medicaid and Medicare patients. The Tea Party would deregulate medical care and that would return us to patient dumping on county hospitals and those hospitals willing to accept indigents. Those willing to accept would find themselves swamped and unable to financially survive.

@Mark, I agree that the oath all Doctors' take is supposed to be their moral compass but as we have all seen before.....Doctors are in the medical field to provide a service and make money, there are a lot of Doctors' who will make you wait or put you off all together if you do not have health insurance when it is not a medical emergency. I can name three Doctors' here in Oklahoma City that the first thing that is asked "Do you have health care?" and if you answer "No" they will respond " We are not taking new patients at this time". When someone who has a cough is turned away because the doctors' office isn't seeing new patients what happens when that cough turns into Pneumonia or Emphysema? What if the patient didn't have insurance but was able to afford the office visit and they could have diagnosed the sickness then and maybe stopped it from getting worse? When do we as a nation finally see that we are all the same race....human? Life is a gift, we should appreciate this and help our fellow man, who knows maybe we would find true civility.

I forgot one more thing, how many Doctors' are refusing to prescribe the morning after pill, perform emergency abortions to save the mothers' life and refuse to provide care for many other reasons? I am not attacking Mark at all I agree with his opinion but there are many Doctors' out there that do not uphold their oath. My wife works for a Doctor who makes much of his money from insurance payments but he doesn't offer insurance, dental insurance, life insurance, 401k or anything like that to his employees because he says they should fend for themselves so it falls on me to provide all of those and it costs us over $1300 a month. Some months we struggle just to make all of our bills because our health insurance is more than a lot of peoples' mortgage payments.

I've gone w/o ins. when healthy so that I could instead spend that money on prevention, like bodywork, health food, a juicing machine, supplements, organic food. Ins. is so $$$, that if I had purchased it, I would never have been able afford to take care of myself properly. I'm glad the food stamps program allows you to purchase from farmer's markets.

**of note, I had backup military health insurance, but that isn't necessarily a consolation nor something I prefer to depend upon. I'd much rather be able to afford healthy food and have a decent ins. plan with preventative, alternative options. Which brings me to another point ... I don't really care by and large for what's offered in insurance. I have found my healthcare needs MUCH better met through alternative modalities, which I have to pay for, anyway, out of pocket. Other than for acute situations, alternative is my first approach, traditional, second. It'd be nice not to have to forego prevention in order to have ins. that I don't even really like.

I really resent being held back at the level of consciousness where much of society is at, let alone the whack RR. I don't know how one would standardize much of the care I prefer, though. I here Reiki is gaining some ground, here. But Europe, I'm told, has standards in place for various energy practitioners, so why not here?

"I hear..." that is. I'm tired. My grammar is slipping.

From my point of view, that's exactly the reason why a mandate of some sort (subsidized for many if not most people) is needed.

The only mandate the government should make surrounding health care is to mandate FREE CHOICE.

I don't care if anyone thinks my choice is bad...it's MY CHOICE.

This is the only developed nation that does seem to have a single, solitary person with the intelligence to come up with a viable health care plan to cover all citizens.

An interesting program all Americans should see.

http://video.pbs.org/video/1050712790

Like I've been saying it's not about freedom, it's about who the slave master is. The libertarian crowd want to be enslaved, but by business and not government. In their mind that's freedom. They seem not to recognize the fact that other people feel the opposite way and that both positions are valid. They also seem not to realize that bankruptcy in name of someone else's bottom line is not freedom for the person going bankrupt.

And do you know how that "emergency fund" is funded? By the government. The US Gov provides relief to hospitals that have a disproportionate number of patients that can't pay their bills. As for the $1,000 a night, perhaps if the shareholders of your hospital didn't want profits and dividends, then it would be cheaper. Your commentary is naive and ill-informed, which is just what the GOP banks on.

But where does the hospital's emergency fund come from to pay for the uninsured? From donors in most cases. So when the economy tanks, and donations are off, there is little money in that tank. They charge so much a night because they have a nurse looking after you, a doctor on call in case you need them, and all the fancy equipment you'll be hooked up so they know you're still alive. If hotels are charging hundreds if not thousands a night for their fancy schmancy suites, maybe $1000/night at a hospital where they're trying to keep you alive and make you better is a deal.

2yrs ago ex-congressman Alan Grayson of Florida told the hole country how the republicans really, feel about working class people... DIE QUICKLY!!!!!

This is not bad. I like it.

I would like President Obama on the gate!!!!!!

Yeah, with PBO you may get to lie on the cold ground by the outhouse out back with a stale roll to eat and a garden hose with which to wash, this after tantalizing you with a big turkey dinner, luxurious rooms with fluffy comforters and clawfoot tubs to soak your worries away. And this is only temporary.

We Got Ours!!! We Want Yours!!! Screw You!!!!

I disagree with your interpretation. They're cheering the idea that we should have natural selection applied to humans. They believe--and cheer for--allowing people who are poor, disabled, or who have simply had a run of bad luck to be culled from the "herd." That's their philosophy--until they need help.

It's a manifestation of Ayn Rand's belief of natural selection and that was her interpretation of Darwinism. The irony is most of these people do not realize Rand was an atheist and based her policies on the ideas of evolution. If you follow her line of logic- meaning there is no religious aspect in her world- her position was the logical conclusion of such a moral and political philosophy. Where it becomes strange is when it regards people who consider themselves Christians (or Muslims or Jews or any other religion), but who still implore the same logical sequence. It's the weirdest form of doublethink to the point I hear myself saying "you couldn't make this bleep up."