Where exactly is the overlap between what Jon Stewart does on The Daily Show and what Rachel Maddow does on her show? It's all bout discerning the line that satire draws between news and entertainment.
JON STEWART: But the one thing I don't have that you have is the ability to really do something about it. You're in the game. Like here's what people--
RACHEL MADDOW: You're in the game too. We're in the same game.
JON STEWART: I don't think so. I think you're in a better game than I'm in.
RACHEL MADDOW: How? What's the difference. What's the material difference?
JON STEWART: You're on the playing field, and I'm in the stands yelling things.
RACHEL MADDOW: Everybody sees you as on the playing field too, I think.
JON STEWART: Well, that may be but--
Does the fact that Jon Stewart opts out of literal political engagement make him less of a political player? Does anyone other than Jon Stewart get to decide Stewart's role in the national discourse? Can the Daily Show viewers who cite Stewart's show as their primary source of news or who identify Stewart as the most influential political figure in their lives veto his insistence that he's not in the game?
Or does the confusion between criticism, news and politics stem from the fact that news coverage has shifted so far toward entertainment that it brushes up against satire?
RACHEL MADDOW: I think that even-- that you think of it differently, but I think a lot of people who watch your show, and who watch cable news, think of what we do as not-- not being that different, which sucks for me.
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Even if you're not launching it in the same way, it's being received in the same way. And-- and the barriers between what actually happens on cable news that you're satirizing, and what you're doing, we're not seen as being all that different.JON STEWART: The only thing that I would say, it doesn't worry me. I can understand how it would worry people in the news. But what I do-- I have existed-- I am the Highlander. You know, there's been a form of me around in-- forever. A comedian who with political and social concepts criticizes them from a haughty, yet ultimately feckless perch, throwing things. Like that-- the box that I'm in has always existed. The box that you're talking about, I think is new. And so, I-- I do think if that's moving towards me, that's okay.





Wow, I have changed my view of Jon Stewart from your interview...........Anyone who even remotely stands up for FOX News......in my mind has been changed by the amount of money they are making. I've erased The Daily Show from my DVR (not Colbert). I can't believe the horse@!$%# he was trying to sell!! Was that really Jon Stewart. What really made me turn off is when he sucked up to Jerry Sienfeld. I never thought he was funny. Larry David was the genius behind that show and Curb Your Enthusiasm was a thousand times more funny. I guess I've been laughing my ass off at Jon's writers all these years!
I so have the same reaction. I think Jon Stewart was being incredibly honest when he stated that he is on the sidelines: What he could have said is that he a slightly more mature adolescent throwing spitballs (albeit very clever ones) from the back of the room. I thought he was pretty inarticulate in general which made me also leap to the conclusion that he relies more heavily on this writers than someone like Rachel.
Uh, actually i gained respect for stewart, for going after fake journalists and people who do exactly what fox does and is as bad as fox..
Daily Show is comedy
Maddow is supposed to be journalism, yet, it is not.
Jon Stewart just told the truth, sorry it hurts.
http://johnnydollar.us/files/101107fhwir.php
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2010/11/11/rachel-maddow-clings-baathist-party-line-saddam-wasnt-pursuing-wmd
I watch your show and John Stewart's show. However, I think he is dead wrong about fox when he says fox is idealogical and not partisan. No John, Fox is partisan. They indeed are the propaganda wing of the republican party. The purposely pick news stories which not only try to prove their point, (the republican line), but they also choose stories to embarrass the democrats. I used to listen to fox, maybe 5 years ago, but I could not stand to be constantly lied to, and manipulated. MSNBC, it seems to me, is at least trying to find the truth. Thus a major difference. Fox makes up stories, like the Bill Clinton team leaving the whitehouse a mess. Or they will have a headline, "Is Barack Obama a Muslim". How about the real news. There is no real equivalent about the MSNBC mentioning Bush breaking international law and possibly braking international law, and Fox calling Obama a child molester. No equivalence. It is basicly an insult to compare Rachel Maddow's intellectual audience, with the Fox following of knuckle dragging mouthbreathers. Fox rules on fear and base level emotions, not withstanding xenophobia. MSNBC, not including Scarborough, at least tries to bring enlighenment. O'Reilly's charisma is more than matched by Maddow's intellect and truth seeking.
I watch msnbc and fox and I wonder how fox can use the word "news" in their logo. To me both networks are full of crap. It's just that fox is more rabid and msnbc doesn't seem to deny that they (msnbc), are opinionated.
Where exactly is the overlap between what Jon Stewart does on The Daily Show and what Rachel Maddow does on her show?
If Jon was on MSNBC, nothing. If Rachel was on Comedy Central, nothing. The point Jon makes is the aggregate of one show after one show, one passionate commentator after another passionate commentator. That's the point.
Jon also made the same point I made here:
http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/10/5439037-bush-still-asking-us-to-fall-for-it?commentId=19265023#c19265023
About halfway through the show he calls Rachel on the fact that she excerpted just a portion of Bush's remarks and made it appear he was giving a different rationale for the war...hmm, wonder if I could have a cable show (probably not!).
Dude, I totally thought of you when I heard him say that this afternoon. Do you think he checked the blog for some last minute research before coming to the interview?
I do wish to say one more comment. When MSNBC let go of Phil Donahue, around the time of the start of the Iraqi war, I did not turn on MSNBC for 3 years, and I wrote them to tell them how upset I was at that move and how I would boycott the station for quite some time. The republican party, despite their shallow policies have been working on all fronts to take control of this country for the last thirty years in a very organized, "think tank" driven fashion, with a few very wealthy conservative funding the entire movement. Why the press does not do a better expose on these issues is disturbing. Either the press it significantly controlled by these interests, or there is serious coercion stopping real news from coming to the fore.
The press is financially dependent on corporate advertising dollars. This is why our newspapers provide only the information that the corporate advertisers deem appropriate for us to know.
I agree. For 30 years the conservatives have been framing the entire debate. When Jon Stewart talked about "what should the debate be?" he said it shouldn't be red and blue, dems and republicans. He's right in a sense. The Conservatives have brilliantly framed the debate that way: republicans are moral, democrats are not, etc. Rachel's show is an attempt to challenge the way they frame the debate. Beneath the surface, the debates are not about Republicans and Democrats, they are about real values: what is moral, what role should the government have? Jon's suggestions for what we should debate (kids vs no kids? seriously, we have that debate at work all the time and we both see each others' side in about 10 minutes. Corruption? That was inarticulate and I didn't know what he meant.
He's full of crap if he thinks he's not on "the playing field". I would even argue that he's a bigger player than Maddow.
He's a satirist with a left lean on a comedy station, not a journalist with a news organization. The fact that people watch him to be informed is sad! He's not on the playing field, he's playing a totally different sport. If you watch the soccer game thinking it is baseball, whose fault is that?
in the kings court only the jester gets aways with speaking the truth.
Hey, they're all out to make advertising dollars........nothing wrong with that in my opinion. But I swear to God I think that all the news networks got together and decided; " hey Fox News, you say some complete horse@!$%# that will be completely believed by dumbass middle America (who will buy rubber dog@!$%# if you produce a slick infomercial) and we'll make fun of you for being idiots.....and everyone will get hire ratings!" They're all on the same team!
I am unsure why I am reading these questions here. It appears to me that both Rachel and Jon have an interest in preserving a difference between the approach of a trained journalist and the approach of a comic. Ok, yes it is sad that we even have to ask these questions, but I suppose we do and I believe that the point goes to Jon when he claims that it is the "Legitimate" news organizations (regardless of their ideological leanings) who have drifted over to his end of the pool.
It is admirable that a news network would take the step of allowing their talking heads to be completely open about their personal biases. However this show was itself an example of the problem which Stewart's recent work seems to be highlighting.
It's a good bet that a lot of commentary that springs up from this interview will concern itself with how entertaining it was. But it is not the purpose of the news to be entertaining, and that is not what we should have expected here. But we should have expected something, if not entertainment. We watch the news to become informed.
Isn't it sad that a comedy show is so highly regarded in comparison with television news programs for its delivery of actual information? But it is only because The Daily Show parodies a news format in delivering their comic commentary that it is informative. It is assumed the viewers know that it is merely a convention and the writers are not held to the standards that journalists hold themselves to (or that they ought to, at least). On the other hand, we watch the news to become informed.
The one thing I learned watching this interview was that Jon Stewart felt there was a bigger difference between the viewpoints of people who have children and those who do not than there was between the viewpoints of the average Democrat and Republican. And that information is of dubious value to me. As an interviewee, Jon Stewart is not likely to give up for free that thing he gets paid so well to do on his own show. I expect he also understood that people watch news programs to be informed, not to be entertained.
Jon Stewart may have acted out of a sense of self-preservation in pointing out so vehemently the encroachment of the news media on what he rightly feels is his territory, but I think it is a good thing he did.
Rachel is not a 'trained journalist'...and that's what makes her better than most journalists.
I don't think maddow is very well "trained" in anything that has to do with media, expecially interviewing people. She acts more like most liberals who do not want to "debate", they simply want to change your mind to their way of thinking. I honestly cannot understand why they replaced the guy who had the show before her at all, he was good and he was fair. This liberal dyke is way over the top with the liberal slants. I still can't believe they gave this woman a show. I tried to watch, but just can't. It's like suffering through olberman for about 3 minutes, you get physically sick. BYW...the ONLY thing wrong with FoxNews is geraldo. His ego is larger than the entire country, which makes him even harder to watch than maddow. So I don't watch either, and it makes me feel.....clean.
I think Jon refuses to accept the part he plays in news and politics because that's not what he views himself as, period. He is, in fact, a comedian, and we need to remember that, always. We need to view The Daily Show from that perspective. Politics and comedy have gone hand in hand forever. Wasn't the court jester the only one who could mock and criticize the very monarchs he was supposed to entertain? Isn't that Jon's main role?
There's a lot of hatred all over the web over this interview, which is very unfortunate. I loved the interview, even if I didn't agree with many of the things he said. Also, I am so disappointed that he was sick! He wasn't at the top of his game, and it showed. Jon is very sharp, he has a great memory, but he really wasn't his usual self. Still, great interview!
On the interview itself, it was very thought-provoking, and viewers were regarded as actual grown-ups. We don't get much of that on TV. I, too, didn't agree with everything Stewart said, but I don't need to agree with someone to enjoy listening to him - and like him! - while learning a thing or two along the way.
Anyone who watches Fox News can only be watching to be entertained......because there is vary little "news' involved. They present anything that will grab their idiot viewers attention. The problem is that their viewers don't know the difference......the vary same dumbasses that voted Republican this past election.
Did somebody say "Raiders"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arLruJZVM78
Rachel brought up a great point that the "fringe" Republicans have been promoted and put in charge, something that I believe wouldn't have happened without the help of repub-tv like FOX. That to me is a huge difference between the two medias. MSNBC would never promote a crazy person just because they were in the lead against a Republican. Rachel, especially, has been obsessed with truth and facts and stresses this importance in all of her shows, whereas FOX is interested in one thing only, their team winning, no matter which crazy is running through the ribbon holding the "red" baton. And since they don't care about playing fair, we need as many people on our team as possible, but Jon says he's in the safety of the stands? It's frustrating but he's right, it's the best position on the not-field, and he's good at it(usually).
Jon Stewart was a brilliant comedian with topical political humor who woke up one day and found out that somehow he turned into one of the most significant political commentators in the country. Since then, he's worked very hard to hit a balanced perspective between the extremists. He presents a thoughtful and insightful view of issues and doesn't seem to get offended when people disagree with him. He even makes fun of himself and respectfully addresses even those who directly oppose his perspective. He does still provide biting humor but he's got the guts to accept the recoil of others with similar humor. I don't think he ever expected anyone to take him as seriously as people do currently but I respect that he's accepting this new fame with a dignified message of restraint.
All of those characteristics are also part of the reason that I like to Rachel. I can't stand rhetoric without logic or argument. I want reason when I watch politics and Rachel is one of the best liberal defenders who does provide reasonable arguments and debate.
What struck me was both the style of the interview and the care that Stewart used. Yes, he disagreed with some things that Rachel said and the two went back and forth with reasonable discourse. That was one of the most beautiful things that I've seen on TV in a long time. He thought about her questions and offered real answers. I didn't agree with some of his answers but he gave his reasons and you can agree with them or offer a reasonable argument against them.
Actually, can we just set aside an hour every week on some channel and just get Maddow and Stewart sitting in an empty room talking casually about politics? They can take turns interviewing each other. I don't care, I just want reasonable discourse on TV and that interview was beautiful.
I too love an articulate, reasoned debate but I don't think Jon was up to the challenge last night. I'd rather see Rachel in weekly discussion with George Lakoff, Robert Reich, or Elizabeth Warren-three people who I greatly admire for their ability to BOTH analyze complex problems and articulate their ideas clearly for those of us who are not experts. I think Jon should stick to entertaining us, not informing us.
I agree. Bravo.
Yea, I was just venting..........I still love Jon Stewart (I'll give him a pass because he was sick). O course, Rachel was a game changer ....as is Ed...even though I didn't like his blatant pushing of his book on air was very cool (come-on dude.....run a commercial for it, but don't sell it yourself!). Anyway, I just hope these people don't lose their edge as they become more popular. I live in a small GA town where everyone believes everything they see on FOX News is true and my vote always goes to waste.
Theo, I feel your pain. I really mean that. I live in a small Texas town. A few miles away there's a small town dinner that has this one table in it, right by the door. The table has names carved into it and the top is respectfully under glass for preservation. Those names were carved by the first members to found the KKK in our region. Three feet above the table is a television that is set to Fox news 24/7.
Sometimes it is next to impossible to keep a perspective on our world when the communities that we live in are so deeply steeped in ideology that sickens and humiliates us.
At least with the internet we're not so isolated geographically. Hang in there!
Solidarity! Greetings from the bible belt of South Carolina.
And from Southern Louisiana! Even my doctor's waiting room TV is tuned to Fox. (At least my vote cancels out one of their's!)
Overlap? Well, both deal with current issues, and both are on TV. I think this is like comparing The Smothers Brothers with Cronkite back in the '60s. Yes, Rachel Maddow can be funny, Cronkite was somber. It's a different style, and this is a different era. Please note that Jon Stewart is on the Comedy Channel. Â
So, beyond that, I think the most striking impression I had of Jon Stewart from this interview was that he speaks from the perspective of a comfortably wealthy liberal. This is not so clear with Rachel Maddow, who can and does speak about the issues with a passion that is lacking in those who are safely above the crises that define the lives of millions of us today. I'm glad both are there.
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Does my neighborhood high school football team play the same game as the NFL? Yes. Do they play in front of millions of people on network television? No. Do they make millions of dollars doing it? No. So, they play the same game, but on a different level. That's the only relationship that I can conjure when Rachel says that she & Jon are both 'in the game'. They can both run the same sound-bite clips, but Jon gets to do a 'face', and then parody the clip. Rachel has to try to explain it with some dignity and forethought. Both can be thought provoking (just like a play at the high school can be as complex as one in the NFL), but Jon always has the comedic 'out'. That is where we separate the wheat from the chaff. Rachel is the real deal. Jon is a good deal, with a side of yuks. He's playing the same game (political commentary), but he's not on the same field.
White, upperclass, straight dude denies privilege, news at 11.
Kudos.
I'm not sure what you meant by that, but it was funny...
Rachel,
You are well respected for your intelligence, honesty, and accuracy in reporting and discussing news. I am stunned however, at your misunderstanding of the clear difference between what you do and what Jon Stewart does. If you think that you and he are doing essentially the same thing, then I'd like to challenge you to get on a stage in front of a live audience and tell jokes for 15 minutes or so night after night.
When Jon Stewart went on CNN's Crossfire in 2004 and asked them to "stop hurting America" Tucker Carlson asked Jon why he wasn't asking more hard-hitting questions to politicians. I don't think I was the only one who was dumb-founded at Tucker's inability to differentiate between the job of a person in "news" and the job of a comedian who works on a mock-news show on Comedy Central. As a long time viewer who has great respect for you, I almost cannot believe that you fail to understand the difference as well - and perhaps THAT is the problem that Jon aims to address ...which MSNBC can't seem to put it's finger on. Please don't be the Tucker Carlson of the good guys. Please, don't hurt America.
After he exposed CNN's theatrical antics and the theater involved in a 35 year old TV personality "wearing a bow-tie" the sad truth of a news media team unable to determine who was really responsible for news between themselves and a comedy show who's lead-in was "a show where puppets make crank phone calls" it seemed the confrontation left both sides changed. Crossfire was cancelled shortly afterward, Tucker Carlson stopped wearing his ridiculous bow-tie, and Jon Stewart began getting more involved in political interviews. I think he probably feels as most reasonable people do, that it was a sad state of affairs that he, as a comedian, after facing a Tucker Carlson and Paul Begala bewildered at his suggestion that their jobs were different than his in responsibility, should maybe pick up their slack a bit.
Again Rachel, if you think you are in the same ring as Jon Stewart and have the same professional responsibilities, I dare you to start doing stand-up. Hit the circuit for a while and see how similar your jobs are. I knew a really funny guy once who was a carpenter and not qualified for much else. As it turns out, you can be funny and appreciate humor without being qualified to be a professional comedian and entertainer. Likewise, I've known plenty of carpenters, musicians, actors, dancers, etc. who have had opinions on politics and news, but I wouldn't offer them your job because few people are properly qualified to interview the Secretary of State or to report the stories that "no one else is reporting". While Jon Stewart is a rare type with the abilities for both stand-up comedy and hard-hitting interviews, he is not covering the stories that "no one else is reporting" because that's not his job and he knows his place. He tells dick jokes. This path you seem to be on of equating your job with his does not serve you or the current state of the television news industry any justice.
Sincerely and With Great Respect,
-ted-
The thing is, he knows it and takes advantage of it to claim purity of intent. The larger purpose of comedy is to speak truth to power. Stewart's stubborn insistence that he's not in the game is disingenuous. He's too intelligent not to be aware of the influence he has.
This is does not mean that his and Rachel's jobs are equivalent (full disclosure: haven't watched the full interview), but in terms of potential to influence, his denial of the strength of his position rings hollow.
"The larger purpose of comedy is to speak truth to power" is an interesting statement. Have you ever worked in comedy? I have. My job was to entertain people. To make them laugh. I am open and interested though, in an expansion of what seems to be your intrusive and demanding beliefs about the "purpose" of comedy.
That Jon Stewart has a large audience is not the same as having large influence - in that whether you like this or not, he DOES get to choose what he might "influence" others to do. He seems to be mostly interested in influencing people to laugh.
"Potential to influence" was an appropriate assessment. Your expectations of him based on that potential seem to be the real culprit of your disappointment with him. Fortunately for our free world, he does get a choice in what he chooses to do with his microphone. Fortunately for those of us who do not place silly political demands on anybody under a microscope - we appreciate that some of the clowns of our world know their place, and do not abandon our need for comedy, for laughter, regardless of what level of attention steers their way.
Wow, defensive much? You might have done comedy, but you're ignorant of its history if you think it's only entertainment.
I'm not disappointed with how Stewart chooses to use his influence. I'm disappointed in his inability to own that he has it.
@MechTrek - again, please expand on "the larger purpose of comedy". if i am ignorant to it or it's history, please educate me.
i don't know the path by which you draw your conclusions, but i do not think comedy is "only entertainment" as much as i think that sometimes it is. even when it is not "only entertainment" however, professional comedy is still entertainment first and foremost.
again, you seem to be confusing "influence" with the "potential to influence". what he has is the potential. but he also has a right to choose how to use that, even if it is primarily to make people laugh (whether or not to secondarily to make them think).
i don't believe i've been "defensive" but i'm open to your explanation of that. i am still eager for expansion on your ideas about "the larger purpose of comedy". i am not attacking you or defending me - i am sincere in my interest. please explain.
Satire is inherently political.
In an open society such as ours we all have the right to say anything we want. Satirists like Stewart have the right to use their platform in any way they please (or at least in any way the network pleases them to) and others have the right to criticize how the platform is used.
I don't think Obama would have agreed to appear on The Daily Show (especially right before an election) if he didn't think it was a powerful political force. Also, by crossing over into such traditional venues of populist political expression, the Rally To Restore Sanity should have put to rest any question of whether The Daily Shows primary effect was in essence a political one, regardless of its humorous or ironic elements.
Unfortunately, it may take a more politically astute observer than The Daily Show's audience generally includes to recognize this, which only increases it's ability to influence political perceptions whether Jon Stewart chooses acknowledge it or not.
Hmmm...this one has fewer comments....
I watched the rally on CSPAN. It gave me a headache. For me, it perfectly encapsulated the sorry state of affairs we are now in. It represented, together with the Tea Party, (hopefully) not the final nail in the coffin of organized direct citizen action addressing issues of social, environmental, and economic justice as well as human rights in general, but a depressing manifestation of the impotence of our present power to effectively organize for meaningful change.
The great labor, civil rights, and anti-war movements of the twentieth century have been replaced by "rallies". Campaign rallies, pep rallies, rallies to restore sanity are merely spectator sports. Where no one participates any more than they would at a cheesy rock concert or a football game. This is what America's left has become, a sad parody of itself.
I wonder what Mr. Stewart thinks of shows like Democracy Now? I wonder what his views are on writers like Noam Chomsky who could accurately make a case that every U.S. president at least since there were such laws are war criminals? Does he see this as a conversation stopper? Well it might be. It is and it isn't. Actually I think Mr. Stewart is wise to generally confines his views(?) to the mainstream media and pop culture. Boundaries... besides, who in the audience would be interested?
I am not suprised he likes you Rachel. You are so likeable, and you infuse your show with a positive energy and thematic continuity which is hard not to marvel at. How did you get so pesky and perky? I also admire your ability to be unimpeachably snide, particularly in some of your interviews.
I think Steward started becoming more than just a satirist when he went on Crossfire and challenged the whole premise of political pundits by suggested that they were destroying democracy through their divisive rhetoric. He crossed the line from observing and commenting to entering the fray and participating.
Considering the state of dysfunction in this country, particularly in the Senate, I'd say we need more than satire. Charles Dickens created some funny characters but his novels became so much a voice of despair that people finally started to take them seriously.
Stewart needs to stop kidding around and mimicking those like Beck with rallies of his own. He needs to figure out how political criticism can be constructive. Stewart obviously admires journalism when he sees it. It would help perhaps if he started adding links to the sources he uses in his sketches to the credits at the end of his shows, so viewers could expand on their curiosity?
What, oh what would Will Rogers have done today? He wasn't Mark Twain or Sinclair Lewis. But he sure hit a cord with the average Joe and got them to move beyond their apathy and believe that there was more that they should be doing besides complaining and voting for Republicans.
Something more important is broken in our society besides the economy and our political system. I'm not sure we can expect journalists like Rachel Maddow or political satirists like Jon Stewart to fix it. We voters put these Republicans into a position of power and we have to find a way to stop them.
I'm beginning to think it is a crisis in faith...all of them. We have let our major religions be highjacked by political zealots. How do we free God from the morally bankrupt and let Him do his work again without the demigods getting in the way? How did we stop the Nazis and the Communists?
If humor isn't really furthering a solution to our problems, it would be a good time for God to show us a sign of what could? If journalism isn't enough, what is missing? We have to find that key and find it soon.
Dear SandyH,
I was moved by your comment. I wish I was smart enough to help you find the key. Ghandi maintained that the key (for those who ascribed to his interpretation of moral strength and certitude) was a weapon and the weapon was truth. The question remains, what is truth? A very good question indeed.
In the quest for the key, I would start with truth and go backwards from there. Where then, is this elusive and possibly sacred truth to be found? In a culture such as ours,where misinformation recklessly abounds the search for truth can be very dangerous indeed, especially when (or if) one is seeking to employ it as a weapon.
I think I'm in love with you SandyH... God help me!!!!
Once again, Democracy Now has given me a better perspective on things. Sorry about my sloppy professions of amour last night Sandy. I had a few too many and your comments looked so cute!!!
Let's see if I can articulate this...The capitalist system tends to isolate the middle and the lower classes from each other. No mass movement can hope to succeed without solidarity between the two. Only when this barrier is removed can real change be implemented. Stewart's rally was a rally for the middle class. A rally for moderation and the status quo. For preserving one's own perceived interests. The don't rock the boat rally. The I've got to protect my 401k rally. How many local D.C. residents do you think showed up? Very few. The don't bum me out by speaking about injustice rally. The I'm not fighting in our illegal wars so who cares (Kid Rock I guess), but I'm not Islamophobic so I'm a good person rally. I found Stewart's closing speech to be trite, contrived, banal, and uninspiring.
Is solidarity really just driving on the freeway?
Jon Stewart is not just ON the playing field--he's playing shortstop.
Jon Stewart is a comedian, a satirist, his sole motivation; to make people laugh. He likes doing it, no one is in a position to tell him what to do with his life. If he becomes a pundit, if he becomes a mouthpiece for a political party, he loses that comedic high ground. The position that lets him poke fun at lunacy and idiocy regardless of whether it's found on the right or the left. He also understands that this repetitive, in your face, twenty-four hour, politically charged news business represents a very real threat to Americans. It's dangerous to inject journalism with partisan politics, because there are individuals out there who, for whatever reason, aren't capable of discerning fact from bull@!$%#. So you get Fox News who starts by amplifying right wing rhetoric to an incredible level, and the ignorant and unworldly buy into it big-time. And the point I think he's trying to get across, is that while a liberal media organization may seem like the appropriate response to Fox News, it's not the the response that is in the best interest of the people. I should point out that he mentioned numerous times that he doesn't believe that MSNBC is the equivalent of Fox News, he just doesn't want it to turn out that way. A journalist or news network's primary focus should be pursuit of the truth, not finding evidence to support your ideology. It's just hard to make that point on MSNBC because they're not Fox News, they're not the ones spinning and lying around the clock, but if they pursue a similar game-plan, who's to say it couldn't corrupt MSNBC in the same way? Jon Stewart is trying to bring people together, trying to move us along. You know, there isn't going to be one final partisan debate and this things all over, at some point we're going to have to compromise or our democracy is going to fail. The more outlandish the claims made by our round-the-clock media, the more crazy people you're going to see in public, and the harder it's going to be to make any real progress.
Jon Stewart and Rachel Maddow are both good people, they both looked like friends in the interview, why is everyone trying to make this some kind of grudge-thing? Go watch that MMA, UFC crap if you want conflict. I was damn near moved to tears when Jon was like "I like you." In those three words I observed incredible respect and fondness, they're both terrific people.
What I got from Jon Stewart's rally was a conversation starter. I understand now why the Tea Party became such a powerful movement. It was just people seeing how ineffective gov't was at addressing their needs so they simply said, "Go away gov't, why should we pay you if you do nothing for us?" Then, it was sucked up by the Republican Party and molded to fit the needs of the super powerful - with that losing its true message and becoming the shouting anger fest we saw in the media. Take a close look at Scott Ashjian's campaign to see what a I mean.
I'm a liberal. I believe in reform. Gov'ts can change if we elect the right people but as Jon Stewart said by the time you get to the elections the person you are supposed to vote for doesn't represent you.
In the show Crossfire he even pokes at how the United States isn't a democracy - its two loud voices yelling in different directions. Where are the other voices? We need more parties. As a liberal I do not see my party in the democrats. I imagine others are the same way. My ideas of gov't are more in common with the Swedish Social Democrats than any Democrat here in the United States.
I was appalled to know that Jon believes that Cheney and Bush went to war in Iraq based on their fears of Saddam and therefore they are entitled not to apologize to Iraqis or us. We cannot have one standard for Hitler, Saddam, Milosevic and another for the USA. Bush and Cheney, Nixon and Kissinger, Blair should be at least tried as war criminals before they are allowed in public.
I found last night's interview with Jon Stewart to be sleepy. I don't know why Rachel idolizes him so much. Rachel is a success in her own right. The interview with Stewart was too heady and philosophical. What I enjoy about Rachel's show is that, generally speaking, she presents her content in a way that is easily understood by folks at any level. She can attract those who are highly educated and those that aren't. Yes, Jon can do that too on The Daily Show--which is where he is best suited.
It was very philosophical. I don't think she idolizes him however. They look like good potential friends.
The basic difference between MSNBC and Fox is this: Fox is all opinion and partisanship wrapped in a pathological and pavlovian need to lie whereas MSNBC has straight news during the day and then news/commentary at night -- but throughout MSNBC never lies -- I was perplexed at Stewart's inability to concede this fact; lies are lies and facts are facts and Fox does not rely on facts -- they put out lies all day long and when those lies are debunked by other legitimate news organizations Fox never has the basic decency to admit errors like the ACORN debacle (which Stewart also played into and never acknowledged his errors in reporting on the fake pimp tape either) or the fake meme that Obama had put out a logo for a federal agency that resembled a Muslim crescent when in fact the change to the logo was created by the Bush administration; I could go on but what's the point -- few people in the mainstream media have the courage to stand up and say Fox is not a news organization -- Rachel on the other hand has the courage to stand up and say that without apology.
Each time I listen to Jon Stewart and his insistence that he's in the bleachers and not on the field and prefers it that way, what comes to mind is that he sounds like someone reluctant to be on the field but utterly capable of engaging there. Like the hero who is confronted with a choice to either take on the heroic journey or stay home in his comfort zone. It may be a stretch and I might be accused of engaging in conflictinator-like distortions but maybe Jon has his own journey that he's afraid of taking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hero_with_a_Thousand_Faces
That's possible, but that's his choice. I'd hate for him to be thrust into that position when he clearly doesn't want it. I'd hate it more if it were liberals like me who forced him to make that choice.
It is his choice if he wants to move on to the field. I think it is obvious that there is a lot of people who want him to move on to the field and do something more, but that is his choice if he wants to do that. I loved his speech at the end of the rally even if it was not exactly the one I wanted to hear. I want him to move on to the field and use his influence. The bottom line is that he is happy just being a comedian and we have no right to tell him what to do.