I say, tell Anita F. to make sure (we'll back her) in the new bill: when a politician gets a female pregnant, he leaves politics forever, has to serve prison time and from then on, only sleep with his wife.

Of course, the usual tar & feather, shackled to one of those wooden public hand/feet thingys; and a big "A" tattooed on his chest and all clothing (incase he's just too old for the bare shirt thing;(

And any other (past) humiliation put on one human being to another.

Nope, still not harsh enough as what they want to do- to us and our sisters.

@Laura276, "stay out of our uteruses," very good point, graphic, exactly as pregnancy and childbirth and recovery are (it takes at least 2.5 years for a woman to recover her health after giving a low-risk birth to 1 child), & then who??? will raise the offspring of the rape? The rapist??? No, it's the darling victim. of course, LOOK, it's the sweet, loving rape-victim mother who wants to have a baby, isn't she just a model citizen because she said NO to an abortion?!!!! OMG isn't that so sweet & cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a trooper, man, what a freakin saint.

For anyone to force anyone to carry and give birth to a child that they don't want - you're just an idiot, and you don't have the RIGHT. Look it up. Idiot, from the Oxford University Press (you know OXFORD, one of the finest educational establishments on the planet!): "informal a stupid person." Let's look up stupid, also: "lacking intelligence or comon sense; dazed and unable to think (italics mine) clearly.

This fine country was based on the power of literacy. Yes, many of the first "Americans" were Pilgrims, extreme versions of England's hated Puritans, but they were NOT our "Founding Fathers." Those were the people that made the abuse of women and children the first order of every day!!!! England HATED them, not because they were being persecuted for Jesus' sake, but because they were f'n MONSTERS!!!! They could NOT be tolerated by any reational government. How's that for the bible-thupming spin we always here from some stupid persno who just pukes out the words of some stupid preacher who has NOT done his research. If he did, he's find this: Pilgrims were Horrible people. They burned women alive for all to watch, while their children watched; after having been tortured & interrogated, many were raped first, by the "men of god" of thier religious cult. These people had to be stopped. And they were. It is NOT the Pilgrims who founded our government. Our government was founded on military defense for the sake of freedom from the oppression of England's monarchy. It was not founded on religion. In this day and time NOBODY has any excuse to say, "Well, not really, no I haven't read our federal state papers." {They're rubbing their 2 brain cells together, 'What does that have to do with anything?'} Everything, it has to do with everything. Religious cults in this nation have been preaching a cultish, religious spin on history. That excuse is OVER. ANYONE can find them online, for free.

The point is, you don't have to be ignorant your whole life. It's your choice. I paid $3,000.00 in 1993 for a set of books that include exact, unabridged copies of federal state papers. If I can pay $3,000.00 for them and find them highly valuable to my knowledge & the knowledge of my children, and well-trusted friends who may borrow them. Now you don't have to even go the the library, yet you all go online spouting off at the mouth. Some of you make me want to puke your words out of my brain, you're so infuriatingly stupid and arrogant, too. And you back it all up with Well God said, anf blah, blah, vomit, vomit, mountains of vomitous "circular reasoning." Circular reasoning:

Do you hang around to share her suffering? Hell to the NO!!! You don't f'n care! You've done your duty for your ingorant beleif system and made it imposible for her to have any freedom. Period. To you she's just another pregnant person; period. You make laws about it, though, so we can be sure who the saints are. "I'm Anti-Abortion, I'm better than you!" wtf-ever . . . She had no plans to conceive, is possibly a risk for BC pills ( a LOT of women are) so what, do we expect EVERY female in the world to be on BC pills in case she gets raped and has to carry, birth, and raise a child whose father brutalized her (& NO, btw, Rape does NOT feel good, it hurts, a lot, look up what happens anatomically when a woman is raped).

This is one of the biggest problems, no one knows anatomy. We're all a bunch of idiots that don't even know that rape significantly hurts the female body, but it does not hurt the raping male's body. So what are we doing, America, is this all coming from an abusive male perspective along with all the happy little women having babies left and right with their darling supportive husbands? They don't give a f'k if you've been raped. And how do we treat rape victims in court? "Oh it's probably her fault, you know, because . . . vomit, vomit, vomit, . . . blah, blah, blah, can you all see how stupid and ignorant I am yet, and how unbelievably selfish I am to think I have the right to control another person's body?!!!!!"

Americans have the greatest country in the world, but we are getting stupider, not smarter. Think, people, rub your brain cells together. DO a little research. It might make you too tired? Oh but you do take the time to vote against abortion rights? And picket abortion clinics, standing there with your gentle little bible with that holier-than-thou look on your pathetic faces. PA-the-tic! I've seen your stupid faces.

Our founding fathers hated people who do these things. They hated any beleif stystem that trampled on the rights of others. "Don't Tread on Me!"

Anti-Abortion is hypocrisy at it's highest level!

It's called 'misogyny' plan and simple...

Reading 'Woman Hating' by the late Andrea Dworkin is a good place to put it into perspective.

again, again, again - let's start punishing the men for abortion..

Conservatives and liberals are cut out of the same cloth: Liberals want control of what happens in the boardroom, and conservatives want control of what happens in the bedroom. The only intellectually consistent positions are that of the libertarian (the government that governs best, governs least) or the socialist (to each according to his need, from each according to his ability).

As a practical libertarian, I don't fit very well into either camp. Our economy needs an economic balance between rich and poor to be most productive, so I have to oppose the current unchecked flood of illegal immigrants. But as the government doesn't have a dog in the hunt, I have to oppose measures like this, borne of the majority's insistence upon forcibly imposing itself upon the individual through the sledgehammer of government.

I must say that there is nothing ideologically inconsistent with a liberal demanding accountability in a board room and respecting privacy in a bedroom. Frankly, those boardroom decisions affect all of us and therefor are a matter of public good. What consenting adults stick where in the privacy of their own bedroom, nor what religious figures they pray too afterward, has no affect on me and is therefore none of my business.

And that is really the crux of the liberal position and where it is ethically sound while the Regressive (I refuse to give these people the honorable "Conservative" label that denotes several intelligent, well-reasoned people with whom I happen to disagree.) is that they want totalitarian dictatorship over anybody who does not conform to their standards of family, religion, and sexual orientation. They're bigots, plain and simple, who belong in the same dust bin of history as segregationists and anti-suffragists.

.. and they NEVER speak of the men who are at least half the problem!

Mike I.

Except they Don't know or practice any Morality themselves. Who do they think they are

*and how many young girls have they gotten pregnant and made them abort the babe before the wife OR Worse, the public found out!

Priests and Politicians are both from the 'same lying cloth'

Oh, I love that, that's a great idea!

It worked for Lysistrata.

Or subject men to invasive penile procedures for ED.

YES! I have been advocating for a chaste society for years!!!!! You want to decide who "pays" for being "irresponsible"? Well women....don't put yourselves in the position!

Great idea - worked for the ancient Greeks

Hahaha!

Choosing Napoleon Bonaparte for your quote - interesting.

Isn't misrepresentation, lying against ethics codes or licensing standards for physicians? PLUS: what is the language for defining "rape", or sexual assault? It seems to me that having no say in what is put in my vagina, yet a doctor putting a foreign object (ultra-sound probe) into me for no medically justified reason ... this is so damn outrageous!! Legislative rape, legislated rape? Vicarious rape by elected officials?

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Having once lived in OK, I can tell you that women refusing to have sex with any man is a definite win for women! hehehehe

Thanks for the idea - I DEFINITELY want to protest this.

Good points. Yet, there is nothing comparable or equal about this. We are the ones who are pregnant, but totally depersonalized/devalued in favor of: outsiders', strangers' restrictions put on us to serve their purposes, not our medically necessary needs + embryos & fetuses "protected" over us, an actual person.

Doesn't matter. It's all diversion. The fact remains: my pregnancy is my personal business, private. Nebraska, OK, all the other primitive states are invading privacy & causing harm.

I agree that there isn't really anything completely comparable in the male experience to pregnancy, which is the big problem here. There really isn't anything you can do to men, (who, unfortunately, write almost all legislation in this country), that will give them some idea of the true extent of what they are doing to women with the extreme anti-abortion laws they are proposing and passing. What's also unfortunate is that it isn't just the "primitive" states where this is happening. Even up here in Minnesota, our Twin Cities Planned Parenthood is moving to a new facility that is almost like a fort in some ways in order to protect themselves from anti-abortion protesters. Add that to the fact that many clinics around the nation have closed due to violence, threats of violence and protests, and you can see the religious right has for all intents and purposes repealed Roe v. Wade for many women who no longer can find abortion services anywhere nearby.

According to Oklahoma's legal definition of rape, I think you're onto something here. Not only do they have laws against "rape by instrumentation" (see http://oklegal.onenet.net/oklegal-cgi/get_statute?99/Title.21/21-1111.1.html), but I think Section 1113 below might actually throw a wrench into the works, so to speak:

§21-1113.

   The essential guilt of rape or rape by instrumentation, except with
   the consent of a male or female over fourteen (14) years of age,
   consists in the outrage to the person and feelings of the victim. Any
   sexual penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the
   crime.