@Tiggrr1 flags a story developing in Arizona, where a rancher known to provide humanitarian assistance to immigrants slipping over the border was found murdered Saturday. That's Sen. John McCain territory, of course. In 2005, the Republican senator pushed the McCain-Kennedy bill on immigration reform, which combined tough enforcement at the border with a broader avenue for legalizing undocumented people in the U.S. Their Senate colleague Barack Obama also backed the bill.
McCain now faces a challenge from Tea Party Republican J.D. Hayworth. At a Tea Party rally on Sunday, the murder of 58-year-old rancher Robert Krentz gave Joe "the Plumber" Wurzelbacher a chance to pitch a bloodier and less legislative border policy:
I am not politically castrated -- new word for political correctness, by the way. I am not politically castrated. Put a fence in, start shooting. End of story.
The pressure from the right may be having an effect. Yesterday, Sen. McCain sent a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano citing "recent incidents" along the border and asking her to send National Guard troops to help defend it.
In his letter, McCain writes: "For years, I have called on the President to send National Guard troops to the border in an effort to stop the flow of illegal immigrants and narcotics." Last year, McCain supported a request from governors in Arizona and Texas for troops to police the border. Under pressure from conservatives in 2006, Bush sent 6,000 troops to assist in enforcement along the 2000-mile border.





I could not even listen to that all of the way thru. Why are people like Joe the Plumber becoming the supposed voice of the people? Why has it become acceptable to advocate violence? It is getting so I don't even want to watch the news anymore.
They threaten and commit violence because they are afraid (even though they're not really all that certain what they are afraid of). Frightened people lash out, and easily-led people lash out at whatever their chosen leaders tell them to.
Some particularly telling excerpts:
"Line up every damn last terrorist, I'll torture them my damn self. And I'm not just talking."
"The Tea Party I kinda look at as being a Church.... the main purpose is God."
"You gotta have the respect of your family and friends, the rest of the world can go to hell"
"Iran... I don't know why we aren't bombing them right now."
"I'm not out here as a lunatic fringe"
"I read history books"
John McCain is one reason why I left the Republican party. Would like to see a list of everything he's done for the state of Arizona (pretty small list). He's lived off the taxpayer too long. If reasonably intelligent people paid attention to John McCain's antics, he would not be re-elected. I, for one, am campaigning against this egotistical man.
John McCain is one of the reasons I have left the Republican Party. I can't think of much he has done for the state of Arizona. The taxpayers have supported him long enough. Don't forget about the amnesty bill he co-sponsored. Don't forget how he campaigned on being bi-partisan and now he vows to fight the Obama administration all the way. He is such an igotistical phony. Sign me - Fed Up Arizonan.
McCain is just another right wing suck up. No surprise that he didn't distance himself from the "let's start shooting" rhetoric. The fact is that its time to start holding the Republican's responsible for the actions of the Tea Party crowd, and start showing that their words are far more dangerous than anyone realizes. The Tea Party crowd is, after all, just a louder iteration of the Hutaree movement.
I genuinely hate John McCain for the unforgivable hell he's unleashed upon the country by dragging Sarah Palin and this Joe the Plumber lummox from beneath their respective slimy rocks.
Fortunately, he's dragging Scott Brown into his free fall defeat. Brown has campaigned for McCain as a newbie Senator and has called him his 'hero'. Brown now sits on the Homeland Security Committee which I'm quite sure was a result of McCain's influence:
http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=AboutCommittee.Membership
Scott Brown just doesn't seem to get it, does he?
I thought he wasn't going to do anything anymore...
We know Arizona is going to vote Republican. I would love to see JD Hayworth invited to visit Obama for a photo-op. That would totally destroy McCain. He would just retire.
The GOP is believing its own hype. I don't think there aren't as many teabaggers out there as they think (or as the teabaggers & Beck et al think). They just get a lot of press from both sides (call it the "noisy minority"). I really think the GOP is going off a cliff. What are they going to say to the teabaggers when they start opposing finance reform. "Gov't regulation," sure. But can they really argue that, e.g., the derivatives market needs LESS regulation? What happened happened in UNregulated areas of the market. Did you see those nice Randian teabaggers on Larry King say we should repeal social security, that it was "intended to be temporary".... doesn't sound like a position that's gonna win elections. The internal contradictions of the dynamic will make this whole thing implode.
joe the plumber gets off to a flying start ...
"well done is better than well said", you'll never hear em say that". (is this a grill-off?)
and.
"thomas jefferson said it 'was a moral', a moral! i have you know. to pass on are debt, to are future generations, a moral! ya know, the same people will uh say it's a moral, but they will abort babies, yeah they'll put us trillions of dollars in debt, ya know, it's just absolutely nuts, what they will sit there and say but do, you catch me on that? say but do? ... "
"say but do", indeed joe the plumber, "say but do".
it's palin speak, sweeping the nation ... blubbering mindless nonsense based on more blubbering nonsense based on drunken hearsay. "say but do", joe the plumber, "say but do".
do.
McCain, what is your problem? Are you just a Tea Party puppet now??? You're always being somebody's puppet.... but now the Tea Party? You've lost ALL dignity MAN!!!
Sorry to hear about "a rancher known to provide humanitarian assistance to immigrants slipping over the border was found murdered Saturday"... Prayer for his loved ones left behind, as well as for those who he might have helped in the future.
Also sorry that McCain's seen fit to ask for the National Guard to patrol his territory... They don't need to be dragged into his next bid for re-election. Wish he knew about and understood "The Peter Principle"... he's a vet and politician who can no longer keep up with the times and should stay home collecting all of his government benefits.
This country has been "dumbed down" to the point where a good percentage of the population genuinely does not see or understand the distinction between blithering idiots like Palin and Joe the Plumber and thoughtful statesmen who are trying to grapple with real and sometimes insoluble problems. Right now, we're at a crossroads, and it would not be surprising if the far right chooses violence. Their approach to difficult issues is to paint them in quasi-religious, apocalyptic terms. Such an approach always historically has been threatening to national cohesion.
It is such a shame to watch and hear some of the things that the right spews,most forget that you can do some fact checking.My 81yr.father and I have watched alot if not all of the debates on healthcare and to hear the right speak of it,had I not of read most of it I might of believed all their smear of it,but myself stopped belieiving anything they said w/out fact checking it about 9yrs ago.It truly scares me how much hate the right has for this prez,and how they just incite such vioence,and then turn around and try to play if off as it was just talk,until somone gets killed.I have been seriously be thinking about getting a gun,these unstable wingnuts make me want to bear arms.when the "Tea pary"aka teabaggers,talk og 'Bombing Iran" do they not relize that they out number us and I am referring to the "Muslim's" buy a @!$%# load.The right wing-nuts say and do this all in the name of their "GOD" amazing.
I guess I will be the first one to say it. And I mean no disrespect to the family of the rancher. I just think something is strange about this story. It would not surprise me if this was some kind of staged event. This guy would have died from natural causes but someone set it up to look like murder. I guess I'm wearing my tin hat on this one.
I want to point out that not everyone in Ohio is a lunatic. I'm getting really sick of these people using the the 1st and 2nd Amendments to encourage hate and violence. The Constitution is not exclusive to the Tea Party.
I was involved in an incident several years ago at a Birthday party. A man showed up on the porch demanding to speak with someone in the house who wasn't there. When he was told to leave he had the wrong house he assaulted my friend and attempted to pull what we felt was a weapon from his jacket, they finally got him to leave. The police went to his home to question him about the incident, and he pulled a gun on the policeman. Upon entering his one bedroom home they found an arsenal of rifles, shotguns, pistols, knives, flack jackets, and tens of thousands of rounds of ammo. This man was on SSI disability for a mental disorder. I have to wonder how he aquired his arsenal and what he intended to do with it. I also wonder if that had happened this year instead would I be here writing this post. With the encouragement of violence, hate, and reload comments on a daily basis I can't say for sure.
Sarah Palin has just encouraged the Tea Party to stop people with Obama bumper stickers and ask them how they like their hopey changey. A mans SUV was just hit because of one of these stickers before she said that. Sarah Palin has crosshaired my state multiple times on her hate map. I can guarantee you if anyone approaches my car I will charge Mrs. Palin with organizing hate and violence, and inducing panic. I'm not saying there are not left- wing radicals I'm saying I don't see any left-wing partys having a rally encouraging hate and violence. This needs to stop before someone gets really hurt or killed.
I think its time for a Peace Party this I could be a Patriot of. I may just start one.
This is a powder keg waiting to blow here in AZ. The rancher, Rob Krentz, was shot while giving aid at one of his ranch's watering holes to an undocumented alien trying to cross the desert. He was a good guy and he paid for his kindness with his life. It is not clear who shot him, but according to local law enforcement they have tracked someone 20 miles south into Mexico. I suppose there is an outside chance that it was one of the bevvy of self-appointed vigilante militia whackos hanging around down there to "protect" our borders that did this, but I highly doubt it.
Border control is a very real problem here in AZ and I would hope that the President would move immigration reform up on his agenda and work with Napolitano on securing the border against the drug cartel and smugglers of both drugs and people. This issue is firing up the violent right wing kooks and if the President addressed it with some urgency, their rhetoric would become moot.
Last night a President of a local TEA PARTY organization in the west appeared as a guest on one of the Talk Shows (CBS).
I was shocked listening to the conversation. I have a new appreciation for host of the show. Somehow he was able to subtly bring out the ignorance, lack of knowledge, and twisted (religious) beliefs that exist in one part of a political party. This was more scary that the famous Palin interviews. More scary because this represents the massive Christian Fundamentalist belief in a book.
I'll admit that I watched the Republican's recent death spiral with a certain amount of glee. The rise of the tea partiers and the Republican's kowtowing to the extreme elements of their base was entertaining as well. That time is past. It's time for the Republicans to grow a backbone, stand up to these extremists and tell them to back down.
I'd also like to ask where McCain plans to find these National Guardsmen to patrol the border. Our army is stretched to the limits as it is.
Earlier today, I was watching a program on History Channel. It was titled, Nazi America, and it was a well done history on those lunatics. I was shocked and surprised to see how T-baggers are using the same rhetoric. Things like "I want my country back", "2nd American Revolution", and "Real Americans" were used by George Lincoln Rockwell... back in the 60's.